I’ve wanted to introduce this topic for a while, but wasn’t exactly sure how…but, given a recent incident in which I was interacting with someone privately on e-mail in relation to this question, this seems as good an opportunity as any to attempt to introduce some distinctions in the terminology of syncretism which have not generally been observed before now.
Several years ago (2006, to be exact…though it seems like only a year or two!), I wrote an article that posted on Witchvox called “In Defense of Syncretism”. While I still think the article is somewhat worthwhile, I have done a great deal of work on syncretism and syncretistic theology since then, and so I can only look at that particular article as an early stage in an ongoing process rather than a fully-formed theological position. I may never get to a fully-formed theological position on this, but I’m much more comfortable with some of my understandings at this point in time, however provisional they may be, and even those provisional statements will continue to evolve and adapt and shift, I’m sure.
However, one thing I did try to do in that article which is useful is to distinguish between “eclecticism” and “syncretism,” even though the wider culture and usage seems to consider these things the same. I don’t mean to suggest that eclecticism is “bad” or “not useful” or “inappropriate,” because it will (and does!) work very well for some people, and is probably their best modality for useful practice, thus I cannot say it is bad or not productive categorically. Nor do I want to suggest that “syncretism” is what I and my people do (and is therefore good) whereas “eclecticism” is what others do (and is therefore bad). I’ve heard both “syncretism” and “eclecticism” used as pejorative terms in certain reconstructionist circles that have beliefs about cultural purity, or at least about separation of different religious activities into their cultural contexts (thus with different altars for different pantheons, not mixing deities of different cultures in the same ritual, not doing practices of one culture to honor deities of another, etc.). I think such ideas do ignore the fact that most cultures aren’t hermetically-sealed and are not immune to outside influences, and in fact are often enthusiastic about various aspect of them and integrating them into their modality however they might wish to do so. I also think that syncretistic modalities are rather natural to most humans: most of us take a smattering of our ideas about life and our ways of working from a variety of sources–parents, colleagues, education, the media, entertainment, mythology, religion, and so forth–and even within each of these distinct areas, people freely mix-and-match, adopt some ideas and reject others, and “use what works and disregard what doesn’t” on a regular basis without even thinking about it. Over-specialization is not always the best way to tackle any matter in life…
This idea of cultural impurity and anti-syncretism, of course, ignores the many historical and provable cases in which there was eclecticism or syncretism in operation. Anyone who worships Gaulish or ancient British deities is doing so from syncretistic sources. Shinto is a syncretistic religion, having combined certain concepts from various forms of Buddhism into itself, as well as both Japanese and Ainu animism, Taoist energetic philosophies and esoteric techniques, amongst other things (including, in some cases, Christian saints becoming kami!). For that matter, what we think of as “Greek religion” or “Roman religion” is also, at its core, syncretistic. Most polytheistic systems are profoundly local, and thus the “religion of Rome” is combined from Latin, Sabine, Umbrian, Etruscan, and any number of other Italic religious elements…and that’s in its strictly Roman form. As time went on, increasing influence from Greece, and encounters with the cultures of Carthage, the Near East, and a variety of other peoples from diverse geographic areas influenced the Roman practices and the content of the Roman pantheon. “Greek religion” is–what, exactly? The religion of ancient Athens, about which we have the most information? The religion of ancient Sparta? Boeitia (including Thebes)? Crete? While some ancient Greeks might make an argument for any of those possibilities, they would most likely exclude Crete from the picture…and yet, as far as we’re concerned, Crete is under the heading of “Greek religion.” Take a god like Dionysos, for example, and he seems to be the combination of many possible different deities from originally separate, local cultus; the same is true of Artemis (compare Artemis of Ephesus to Artemis of Brauron to Artemis Orthia of Sparta, for starters!), and Zeus, and Demeter, and any number of other deities that we consider “Greek.”
And that brings us to something interesting: the word “syncretism” comes from terms meaning, in essence, “the Cretans together,” and originates from Plutarch, who remarked on the Cretans’ alliance and overcoming of their internal differences when faced with an external enemy. While I don’t think we need to continue (nor revive) a usage of it that highlights external threats or militaristic motives, nonetheless, I think we can suggest that any situation of a “coming together of divine beings and religious practices from different cultures” toward one end–which, though it is a mistake to assume this is a sine qua non of religion, let us assume that a religious system or a religious practice tends to be for the furtherance of some goal of a group or individual, a working toward a particular end for a particular reason–is a reasonable suggestion of how syncretism works and what it is for most people who do it now.
And, any number of modern forms of paganism, magic, and witchcraft are syncretistic in nature. Wicca is; and even certain lineages and distinct traditions within Wicca (from Gardnerian on down and up!) have a syncretistic origin. The Feri tradition is most happily and self-admittedly syncretistic. So, it would be nice if that were given acknowledgment, rather than “culturally pure” reconstructionists (and only some of them do this, not by any means all of them) decrying these traditions for being debased or corrupt because of their syncretistic origins.
Rather than decrying those who would have a “cafeteria religion” and take a little of this and a little of that for picking and choosing what they do and do not like in a given system, I think it is better to simply suggest that this is the expectable and natural result of any polytheistic system, which recognizes there are more than one or a limited number of deities (and thus, sources of power, truth, guidance, and assistance, and [all-too-often forgotten] beings worthy of reverence and with whom relationships are desirable), is in contact with diverse groups of people and diverse cultures, and respects the usefulness and worthiness of each. The “one should be enough” mentality is one of exclusivist monotheisms, I think, not polytheism.
But, it is clear that there are a variety of modalities in which modern polytheists do their syncretism. Thus, I think a modification of our usages and a clarification and nuancing of them might be useful. My suggestions here are idiosyncratic, perhaps, and need not be adopted by everyone if they are not appealing; however, I find them personally useful and attractive, and thus will be using them in this manner in the remainder of discussions here on this blog.
I want to take advantage of the fact that, in English, both the terms “syncretic” and “syncretistic” are usable and considered correct, and are often thought to be interchangeable and have the same dictionary definitions, to in fact distinguish shades of meaning between them in the future. In brief, I’d say that “syncretic” situations–whether of general cultic activity or of a particular deity–tend to smash the two together, so that Antinous-Dionysos, for example, is actually a fusion between them, rather than (in the sense of the “Polycentric Polytheism” of Edward Butler) that it is Antinous acting as Dionysos in an Antinoan matter. The argument and assertion used frequently that syncretism is soft polytheism, I think, is actually the syncretic mode. I’d then argue that the “syncretistic” mode is, instead, considering the two deities separate, but with overlapping interests or functions or roles that work together at certain points, while still maintaining the separateness and the distinctiveness of each (which is Edward Butler’s idea, or at least one understanding of it). I think that certain deities work in this way very definitely. Zeus-Ammon is clearly different than both Zeus and Ammon/Amun; Re-Harakhte is very different than Re or Horus; Antinous, Serapis, and Sabazius (the latter at least in his Graeco-Roman period iterations) also seem to work in this way, where they are most certainly separate and individual, but they have many other deities to whom they are linked, syncretized, or with whom they share attributes.
I alluded to the development of this idea recently in the suggestions for events at next year’s PantheaCon that I made at the end of this entry, specifically in the session that I’m provisionally going to propose with the title “Super Syncretism!” I mentioned Isis in the latter, but I don’t think that the “pantheistic Isis” necessarily equates to “monism” or “monotheism” or even leads to the duotheism of certain systems of necessity, it can simply be the syncretic trend of the Egyptian Isis being taken to international and intercultural extremes (and I don’t mean that in any pejorative manner!).
Far too often, academia on these matters suggests that this type of syncretism just demonstrates how ready antiquity was for Christianity and monotheism, and it shows how debased the religions in question were and how “in decline” they were. Rather, perhaps these situations of universalizing of particular deities instead reflect pressures that make full polytheism difficult–if one’s resources are limited, who would prefer to give smaller amounts to twelve different goddesses and spend all of the time and effort to do so when a “one-stop shopping” goddess that combines many of them is available as an option instead? I personally find it almost impossible to do a ritual for Antinous without acknowledging several other deities along the way…but, even in a situation of limited resources like mine, I find it enjoyable to acknowledge each of them in whatever way I can, even if I cannot write praise poems and devotional hymns to all of them, or even if I don’t have the time to recite prayers and hymns of thanks to all of them.
[Sometimes, like it or not, our devotional lives, for a variety of reasons, are like an acceptance speech at the Oscars--there are many to thank, but doing so by name and with great personal elaboration is often frowned upon by others, and they start playing more and more insistent piano music to get one to say "Thanks everyone!" and leave it at that. The latest PantheaCon was an exercise in realizing that--one of the most essential and important practices I have in my rituals to Antinous, it turns out, bothers and puts off a lot of people. I won't stop doing it, of course, but in public rituals, I may not do it any longer. It saddens and annoys me, but considering we've recently developed a simpler technology that accomplishes the same ends more quickly and more transparently, I'm not ultimately bothered in terms of ritual mechanics or effectiveness that such is now the case as far as my own future practices in public are concerned.]
As to how one might distinguish multi-trad individuals who don’t mix their practices, keep separate altars, and so forth? That’s another question…and I’m not exactly sure how, because I’m not one of those people exactly (not that there’s anything wrong with them! I have many good friends who are, and who are likely reading this!), and so it’s not as important to my own concerns as distinguishing these varieties of syncretism happens to be. In my own practices, I have never had any “bad results” from any of the rituals for Antinous I’ve held that are “god-parties,” I’ve never been given any indication by Antinous that I need to keep my practices separate or keep certain gods or spirits or divine beings out of them, and I’ve likewise received no indication (outside of strict sectarian sources and contexts) that I need to only honor particular deities from particular cultures in particular ways that are exclusive to their cultural contexts. I am happy to visit the Shinto shrine and follow the procedures there for honoring the kami, but at my home shrines, things are slightly different. The same is true of Hindu temples and practices, and anything else I might come across in which I wish to participate, including rituals at the homes of other people in various traditions–the “rules of the house” always take precedence, no matter what my own feelings or thoughts are, as an aspect of hospitality and being a good guest.
I am certainly interested in seeing some things attempted on certain occasions–what, for example, would it look like for Antinous to be honored as a kami? (And considering that Thomas Edison is an enshrined kami, and to my knowledge there is no enshrined or acknowledged kami dealing with any particular queer issues, I don’t think it’s impossible or undesirable that Antinous perhaps might fulfill that role at some point in the future…who knows? Why wouldn’t he? Why couldn’t he?)
So, those are my thoughts on this matter for the moment. I’d be interested in hearing your own thoughts on any of the above, and suggestions for how terminology can be used better and more efficiently for these phenomena, as well as related ones (particularly if you’re a multi-trad syncretist who separates your practices, altars, rituals, etc.–you know who you are!).
My pagan husband has been known to refer to Roman Isis as “Isis, eater of gods”.
As you might guess from my handle, my primary affiliation is to Hetharu (Hathor), Who is of course one of the primary deities whose attributes were absorbed by Isis. I’m not precisely touchy about this but I can get vehement. :}
I’ve done a fair amount of writing about eclectic/syncretic pagan practices under my more associated-with-meatspace pagan handle, actually, drawing from observation not only of people doing it badly but people doing it well. I find it interesting and look forward to seeing more ruminations on the subject, as I wind up with basically three practices held somewhat separately: two originating modern paganisms and the syncretism between them. (And to the extent that all reconstructions require patching things with stuff created or nicked from other systems, the fact that I patch my Kemetic practice with Feri rather than, as is more traditional among Kemetics, Vodou, keeps that line nice and blurry.)
By: Dw3t-Hthr on March 7, 2011
at 6:08 pm
Yes–there’s a line in my poem “The Loves of Sobek” about Hathor, and how Sobek knew her before everyone had had her, and before everyone had wanted to be her…She’s another of my favorite Egyptian deities. Isis has never done a lot for me interests-wise, and I’ve done very little for her in a cultic or devotional manner; but, Hathor has shown up a number of times, and I quite like her!
It’s interesting that both Vodou and Feri are highly syncretic traditions, and yet both are quite useful and appealing and appropriate (depending on one’s interests) for filling in some holes in Kemetic practice–the Feri star goddess seems to be Nut writ large, sometimes quite literally…
And, indeed, Isis, Eater of Gods–she’s the Unicron of goddesses, complete with horns, and an ability to upgrade Decepticons!
By: aediculaantinoi on March 8, 2011
at 1:16 am
(Forgot to ticky the comment notification. Sorry for the extra post.)
By: Dw3t-Hthr on March 7, 2011
at 6:09 pm
No problem!
By: aediculaantinoi on March 8, 2011
at 1:12 am
One part of the issue that I think gets ignored is what we know about human history. All of the cultures that we know these Gods from have not existed for the entirety of mankind’s existence. But if the Gods are literally real and exist independent of humans, they had to have existed before those cultures developed (at least Gods associated with non-human-centric things, like the maintenance of the cosmos and such). So what, did Odin, Jupiter, and Zeus all exist since time immemorial and each just revealed themselves to the Norse, Romans, and Greeks, respectively? If so, why? Plus how do they split ultimate command up with each-other? There are many other questions raised as well.
The assertion that the various “cultural versions” (for lack of a better term) of Gods are all independent, distinct, literal beings has never sat well with me, even when I was arguing for it. Now, I am a polytheist, and not of the “soft” variety. I believe that there are many, many distinct deities in the universe. I just don’t know that the cultural/mythic Gods are their “true face”. We just don’t have the ability to connect with them without the medium of human culture.
By: William Hood on March 8, 2011
at 6:02 am
I’m personally comfortable with the idea that, whether or not particular deities existed since before humans were around, that giving them names and attributes based on a particular human language, cultural norms, and so forth makes them that much more accessible in the future. When one calls on a generic “Sky-Father,” one might get anyone; but if one calls on Zeus, one usually only gets Zeus, etc. Thus, my own view (though not everyone must accept it) is that we co-create the gods–yes, the forces and personalities are often pre-existent, but the names, shapes, and attributes get contributed by us, and as those names circulate and are thus given that much more attention, the personality of Odin as distinct from Zeus, etc., then solidifies over time, while still being a mobile, shifting, and changing reality. As a result, I’m fine with thinking of each of the cultural expressions of the “larger” natural forces/ideas deities as separate and distinct, because they are, but they derive a great deal of their power and personality from their connection to the larger universal force with which they are identified.
Process theology is part of my overall theology, so I don’t think the gods are “done” developing any more than we are. The changes to particular cults witnessed over time in different cultures, I think, attests to this…
In any case, they’re not questions that one really “has” to answer, and as the result will only by hypotheses of belief, and beliefs don’t necessarily change reality, it can be a somewhat moot question…Nonetheless, it’s worth thinking about from time to time, if nothing else as an intellectual exercise, and one that can often end up describing our own experiences quite aptly, accurately, and in a satisfying manner.
By: aediculaantinoi on March 8, 2011
at 3:07 pm
Oh, I don’t disagree. These cultural/mythological Gods are entirely distinct. There isn’t a definite way to tell which ones would be truly “spiritually equivalent” (comparative mythology being a contentious endeavor). I think the arguing over these cultural pantheons sometimes goes to far, misses the point and starts to come off as either comic fanboys arguing about whether Superman can beat up the Hulk; or even worse, arguing over mythology as if it is revealed, holy writ. I completely understand your assessment of the Gods, and it mirrors my experience as well, but I think sometimes with these matters it is a good exercise to take a step back and say “am I arguing to the point of ridiculousness?” The folks with the “Burn Rome” shirts could probably benefit from such an intellectual exercise, even though it may not normally be necessary.
By: William Hood on March 8, 2011
at 3:21 pm
Indeed. As an academic myself, I know that discussing etymologies and derivations and such, while it can be enlightening and potentially very useful, can also turn into a pissing contest, and often doesn’t address the centuries (if not longer) of a word that originally meant one thing being interpreted as something else entirely…much less with deities. I haven’t heard too much of the “My god can beat up your god” stuff outside of jokes on Stephen Colbert lately (and that would have been three years ago or more), but I’m surprised to hear that actual polytheists would engage in such talk. (Wait…no, I’m not surprised at that.) There are people who do take these religious matters like they are a D&D game, and while I have no problem with D&D, and both have enjoyed playing different RPGs and would enjoy doing so again in the future, I think that, outside of a few metaphorical usages, there isn’t much validity nor utility to be derived from treating the gods like battling superheroes. The only thing that could result from such Rock-’em-Sock-’em Robots-style posturing becoming real is that…oh, civilizations fall. You know, minor stuff like that.
Anything which results in polytheistic religions, that are supposed to be based on experience and practice, becoming more like creedal (usually monotheistic) religions that treat things as beautiful and complex as mythology like holy writ, and that become entirely literalist and fundamentalist, is to be avoided at all costs. I know you agree with this, but I do think it is useful to say it, in any case…
By: aediculaantinoi on March 8, 2011
at 8:16 pm
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at 12:21 pm
For me, syncretism makes sense – it is a synthesis of things, as well as the acknowledgment that, should one dig deeply enough, one hits the same water. Eclecticism, on the other hand, can sometimes lead to the problem of flitting about and never digging deeply at all. Other times, it is useful – trying on hats to see which one fits, for example.
And why anyone still thinks a system can be ‘pure’, given the history of vast human migration and innovation, I am not sure! Also, the Gods change, just as we do! Nothing is stuck in time. All is in process.
By: T. Thorn Coyle on March 8, 2011
at 9:51 pm
Yes…as I said in another comment here, I wish more pagans were aware of process theology. Syncretism in historical contexts, I think, is essentially process theology (the development of the cult of Serapis, for example) long before Alfred North Whitehead coined the term.
I do prefer depth myself (sometimes excessively, perhaps!); yet, I do see some people getting a lot out of what might be characterized as more eclectic practices, with no intention of going deeper. I think there’s room for all approaches, and I just wish that people who don’t like one approach, who may not like going deep or who may not like the situationality and variability of eclecticism, would do less tearing down of the other positions. This is, of course, another recurrent theme that you’ve touched on many times, so I know you are well aware of it…
I’ll keep praying Dona nobis pacem in the meantime, anyway!
By: aediculaantinoi on March 8, 2011
at 10:15 pm
Funny, I totally missed your comment above on process theology. I just go there naturally, being a “process theologian” myself!
I’d like to make another point, which I wrote after *last* year’s Pantheacon:
We all have our own journey to the sacred within. Who am I to say that one person’s journey is less serious than my own? Trust me, I’ve done my own fair share of carping about people whom I want to respect but who’s methods, outlook, or “fruits”, I don’t quite understand or may even disagree with. But I simultaneously have to admit to myself that I simply cannot know the core state of their hearts and souls.
http://www.thorncoyle.com/musings/?p=10
By: T. Thorn Coyle on March 9, 2011
at 9:02 am
Ah yes–I remember that post, and made a (perhaps rather rambling) comment on it, having been at the ritual in question and several of your other events in ’10. I certainly agree; and I have critiqued others’ work, but have tried, particularly in the last few years, to always remember that perhaps whatever they’re doing works very well for them and I should never forget that. I hope that when I say to someone that I disagree with something they’re doing (or, as is more often the case, something they say about what they’re doing and its factual origins, etc.), and if I cite matters that might at least question their assertions, and then I end the discussion with “but if that works for you, hey, it’s great!” that they actually accept that I am being sincere with that latter statement. I wish there were less investment and interest in things being “as old as possible” and being “handed down from the ancestors/on high” and so forth in evaluating these matters, and more interest in “I like it and it works for me” and the taking of personal responsibility for one’s own choices, and even the great (positive, non-exploitative) power possible in saying “I do this because I like it, not because someone else or something else says that I must do it.” Hiding behind external authorities like that, and even inventing them or bending the truth to suggest them (all of the “grandmother tradition” stories, etc.), rather than being honest, has always bugged me to no end. But, I suppose that’s because I like Lin Chi and the entire “kill the Buddha” line of (non-?) thinking…
And just further re: process theology, and PantheaCon ’10–I like what Orion Foxwood said on the “Earth-Based Religions: Are We Really?” panel, and have quoted it a few times recently (paraphrasing): “If y’all think you’re the only ones having gatherings and conventions like this, you’re wrong!” I love the idea that there are “Parliaments of the Gods” taking place even now–and to a very considerable extent, more freely than is possible for humans, to discuss their own “domestic policies” while also dealing with their “foreign policy” in terms of the human and general physical world as well.
By: aediculaantinoi on March 9, 2011
at 9:50 am
Meh, can’t thread this properly. :}
The more reconstruction I do, the more aware I become of the flaws and failings of reconstruction – not just the people who are lore-bound and unwilling to do anything if they can’t find it in three ancient sources, but the problems of translating knowledge of ancient stuff into something that lives and breathes *now*.
(And I wind up disagreeing with so many of my compatriots on how to do it in a functional fashion, which is a whole other kettle of abdju.)
My current take on things, and my current major project, is to try to build something that works for me, and write it all down – including notes on where I got the bits from so people who care about references and all can go back and make whatever changes they need to be happy with it. And where I’m coming from is unabashedly syncretic in several different ways, but hey, that’s all in the footnotes, for all the footnote fetishists.
By: Dw3t-Hthr on March 9, 2011
at 10:07 am
Many recon polytheists, I think, end up in a similar situation–both Sannion and Dver, while still very strongly recon in a great deal of their practices, have both somewhat dispensed with the label because the “recon communities” they associated with were becoming less and less like them, and perhaps even less amenable to people doing what they were doing. There comes a point when some recons *do* seem a lot like the stodgiest academics, who want things to stay dead because then they can be pinned down…I think that while academia in most expressions of itself is a form of lepidopterism (though it can be a benign one or a malignant one…to mix metaphors a bit!), religion never ought to be. (And that’s speaking as a professional, fully-credentialed academic!)
I think your current project sounds great! It’s part of what I’m doing with Antinous as well, and which should result in a few books in the near future…
By: aediculaantinoi on March 9, 2011
at 2:26 pm
The actual academics I know best who are also recon-leaning pagan tend to get pissed off at pagan “academics”, because too much is about codifying a canon and setting up scholars as heroes for cultic veneration rather than people advancing a theory. I find that kind of funny. (I get along with them because I frame my formulation as “I’m trying to start an argument here”, which they find functionally academic! Also compatible with being devoted to Big Red, as mentioned in the past.
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I am pretty sure that one of the tensions driving a lot of people to the fringes of recon is the tension between the mystical and the attested. Once one’s doing serious “this god’s work” the lore’s relevance … shifts a bit, I believe. I mean – I’ve, in the course of my recent work, uncovered a Mystery. I can back it up with historical data and in fact I will in the long run be doing a lot to build my own initiation into this Mystery from historical attested stuff, because hey, it’s there already. But I don’t know for certain that the ancients did what I’m going to do with it – I would not be surprised by it, for sure, but I don’t know – and there’s a place where the hardcore loreheads would start going tut-tut at me.
Same with oracular work, whether it’s Sannion’s monthly oracles or Hrafnar’s seidh, or other stuff like that. It’s hard to delve deep into that end of religion and still look respectable. At least not to the “It is not in the lore explicitly” sorts, or even to the more conservative “Are you sure you’re not getting Wicca in my peanut butter with your … innovations?” sorts.
Fortunately, as a Set devotee, I am not deeply concerned with being respectable.
By: Dw3t-Hthr on March 9, 2011
at 3:04 pm
This is, in fact, the roots of a really excellent conversation that is occurring over on Disirdottir’s blog (which is in my blogroll as “The Presence of the Past.” The entire concept of “mystic reconstructionism” fits quite closely to my own ideals on this matter–and, it seems, yours as well…
I know for a fact that the Antinoan Mysteries we celebrate in the Ekklesía Antínoou are nothing at all like the original mysteries of Antinous; but, from what we know of those mysteries, and various mysteries related to them or from which the Antinoan mysteries drew, that a variety of the things we are doing are “in-line” with them, or are at least connected in some way. So, I’m totally on board with what you’ve said of His Redness.
By: aediculaantinoi on March 9, 2011
at 5:00 pm
Thanks again for a thought-provoking post – although it does seem often, that by the time I’ve managed to think through a response you’ve come up with a new brain-twister!
What you’re describing when you say “The same is true of Hindu temples and practices, and anything else I might come across in which I wish to participate, including rituals at the homes of other people in various traditions–the “rules of the house” always take precedence, no matter what my own feelings or thoughts are, as an aspect of hospitality and being a good guest.” reminds me of Ulrich Beck’s term religious cosmopolitanism which is a recognition and affirmation of religious pluralism – a perception of religious “otherness” as both particular and universal, different and enriching.
The problem I find sometimes with the over-enthusiastic valorisation of syncretism and eclecticism is that its often used to prop up the “all religions/systems are the same and therefore all the bits are more-or-less interachangable” position. There’s also the issue that syncretism itself, is not merely a neutral or transparent process – alongside other terms (such as inclusivity or multiculturalism, for example) One might say (and several historians of religion do, as I’m sure you are aware) that saying that a particular religion is “syncretic” doesn’t actually get us anywhere, as all religions have composite origins and are continually shaped through ongoing processes of of interaction (be it peaceful or violent) boundary maintenance, interpenetration via influence, assimilation, domination, etc. So I tend towards the view that syncretism has limitations as an analytical category, unless one examines the underlying processes within a particular situated context.
As to the pejorative connotations often ascribed to the notion of syncretism within contemporary paganism(s) quite apart from the widespread questioning of the relevance of the term in academic circles – i think this is a highly complex issue. It’s tempting to think that the suspicion of both syncretism (and eclecticism) is rooted in an outmoded (largely 19th century conception) of cultural purity or of static traditions which are threatened by either the import of foreign ideas or by dilution. It’s easy to get into a binary where pro-syncretism/eclectism = “good” and anti-syncretism/eclectism = “bad/restrictive” – or vice-versa. There is a tendency within contemporary pagan discourse to locate authenticity in the past rather than the present – even if that past is contested. The recent wave of critiques against Ronald Hutton, is, I think, an indication of that – where there’s been attempts to say, “yes, well Gardnerian wicca is an “invented tradition” – but mine isn’t.” There’s also a perception that eclectic practice, for example is something entirely modern and “western” and therefore suspect.
The situation is further complicated by the increased sensitivity over the last decade or so to issues of cultural appropriation, globalisation, etc. But these issues are not just restricted to Pagans. Here’s a link to a pdf article by Lauren Kendall Of Hungry Ghosts & Other Matters of Consumption in the Spirit World which shows the tensions between tradition and innovation as arising in what is deemed the ‘proper’ food to offer to ancestors.
By: Phil Hine on March 9, 2011
at 9:20 am
That’s an interesting observation–in my own life and practice, as I’m usually the one who is advocating for syncretism, I’ve yet to hear someone say “Well, you’re just suggesting that any religion is interchangeable with the others,” even amongst the opponents of it; perhaps it’s because most of the people with whom I discuss it are more pluralistic than they may appear, and don’t have assumptions about there being one “right way” in general, but simply one “right way for us” (which is usually a suggestion of cultural purity, no external influences, etc.).
I do try to make a point that saying any particular religion is syncretistic is rather disingenuous, since all of them are to one degree or another; and yet, in particular cases, some are more obviously syncretistic than others. Christianity and Islam are pretty heavily against syncretism, and yet both have been highly syncretistic at some stage, and some modern people in both religions manage to be quite excellent syncretists. But, things like the Afro-Diasporic religions, or Shinto (especially in particular expressions of it, e.g. Yamabushi, Onmyodo), or particular cults in the ancient Mediterranean like those of Serapis, Sabazius, and Antinous, one cannot ignore the syncretism as easily, or assume it is implicit, when the surface variability and “visible joins” are so prominent. (Though that also assumes an “international unity” amongst all people of a particular cultus, when in fact the cultus of Antinous is highly variable by locality, even in terms of whether he is considered a god or just a hero…) It often ends up (for good or ill) becoming a wedge issue, so that when someone in a reconstructionist community gets on a high horse about the ancients never incorporating “foreign” practices into theirs, that showing them there were these cults that can be clearly understood to have had a syncretistic origin or practice, even by the standards of the ancient Romans, then allows them to admit that things did change over time in the ancient world, that ideas that archaic Greek religion was somehow perfect and frozen in amber at one point and never changed in the next few centuries, whereas groups of people who were those “nasty syncretists” somehow “strayed from the pure path” in those later centuries…It’s just intellectual laziness, I think, to suggest such things, and so I think using the “obvious syncretistic practices” to open a dialogue on the less-obvious ones can sometimes make the terminology of the label very valuable.
By: aediculaantinoi on March 9, 2011
at 10:01 am
Up until I read what you’ve had to say about syncretism this week – with Ekklesia Antinoou left to one side as a special exception – I would have denied being a syncretist. Sometimes vehemently.
Some of my resistance is can be attributed to the hard-line reconstructionism of someone I met online when I was just getting into the broader Pagan community. I liked this person and was impressed by their work, and I desperately wanted personal validation from them that was not forthcoming (triggered by conditions of my upbringing – yay baggage!).
As I’ve gotten older, I’ve shifted towards reckoning my self-worth on more internal standards, rather than as a signifier of success in my pursuit of someone else’s idea of value. I’ve also become more comfortable with ambiguity. These may be related. *grin*
On the Celtic side, I’ve always tried to pry off the “other” influence – to work with Sulis rather than Sulis Minerva, for example – but you’re right, some level of syncretism is unavoidable because all of the literary references we have were created by people of other cultures, and a lot of the archaeological evidence we have is either directly or indirectly influenced by the presence of people or objects from other cultures in their native areas.
Heck, we’re probably syncretists simply for working with anything beyond our own late 20th century-early 21st century Western cultural milieu.
As for your terminology, I think the distinction you draw between “syncretic” and “syncretistic” makes a lot of sense; if in such a practice, I personally would for the most part choose to work in the syncretistic mode, although not denying the existence and worth-to-others of syncretic beings.
I would perhaps suggest calling someone who works with multiple cultural traditions while keeping them individually contained a “parallel polyculturalist” or “cultural parallel pluralist”.
Why am I one? I get better signal reception and deeper connection when focusing on the intense particularities of deity. I also drink single malt cask strength whisky straight. These two positions have more in common than some may think (beyond both of them being rather extreme).
Egypt is evolved as a relatively segregated culture, and it started several millennia earlier than we have any records of Northern European spirituality; comparisons between the two tend to be very strained. (Admittedly, there is the cult of Isis, which is legitimately connected to both. I’ve worked with Aset, and there are echoes of Her in Isis, but Isis has really gone on to become Someone Other. My sense of Isis as a personality just doesn’t have the same level of impact; to me She feels diffuse, attenuated.)
The Netjeru are, to me, vast and abstract and deep and largely not-human, and in a relative sense somehow feel further away, less attached to the world and its current existence. They feel qualitatively different from the Northern European powers. Perhaps Egypt simply didn’t have a divine sundering like the common IE theme of the-gods-who-came-before being violently deposed so that the pantheons we know best could come to power. Re departed to other things and passed the duties of rulership along voluntarily, and while His successors have had Their conflicts, the massive break from the originating generation just didn’t happen. So, what we see in Egypt is perhaps more similar to what Greece might have become if the Titans chose to retire to the islands and give Olympus to Zeus and his kin? Hmmmm. . .
At any rate, in my practice it tends to be functionally “Egypt gets its own stuff and does not share; entities from any other cultures get to fend for Themselves”. It’s also worth noting there’s some divisions among the Egyptian entities, but that’s really sort of “family business”, if you get my drift.
While I’d quite possibly still work with Irish entities entirely separately from Scandinavian ones, once you’re in continental Europe the Celtic/Germanic divisions blur very fast, and get a lot more Roman thrown in the mix. I’ve been getting drawn into female ancestor work in that region, and if you can discern significant differences between the disir and the matronae, I’d love to hear about it. The lack of mixed rituals at this point is more that I’ve felt pulled to the Norse and have been focusing on it in my personal work, and Celtic stuff has pretty much been only the group events for the past year or so.
By: disirdottir on March 9, 2011
at 5:41 pm
Thank you for expanding upon these points…and, I think your terminology of “parallel polyculturalist” is a really nice one (though “cultural parallel pluralist” is also good, but a bit more of a mouthful, and not as punchy since not all words in it are alliterative…and, you know, fír filid being what it is, when possible one prefers alliteration!).
I don’t know if there is a difference between the disir and the matronae, other than that I’ve had a “capital ‘M’” feeling with the latter a lot more–they want to be an individual personality, not just an impersonal group of ancestors…While I am aware of, and even a proponent of, the overlap between ancestors, land spirits, and deities in many cultures, and in Celtic ones particularly, the Matronae have always felt more like deities to me. I was in their territory in Bonn when I was there in ’07; and, I wrote that poem about them in TPH, which also got published in Datura, so apparently someone liked how I dealt with them. I hate it when they get lumped in with “triple goddesses”–yes, technically the wording is applicable, but they are three mothers, not MMC or any of that…I don’t know if any of this is helpful or not, but in any case…
Sulis is very interesting, I think; but, given that we only know her as Sulis Minerva, I think that has an effect on her…And, given that I’m a syncretistic rather than a syncretic person, I tend to think that she is Sulis-who-is-like-Minerva rather than indistinguishable from her…and, I suspect, she’s a lot like Brigid in certain ways, since Brigantia seems to be much closer to Minvera than to (as some would suggest based on certain Kildare practices) Vesta. I enjoyed visiting Bath when I was there in ’97, and would happily go back again…
I think working with Sequana would also be really interesting. I definitely want to write her a poem at some point in the future, most certainly, if nothing else…
By: aediculaantinoi on March 9, 2011
at 6:17 pm
*WARNING: comments to follow may be interpreted as being from the POV of an over-privileged, arrogant cis woman feminist sexist of TYRANNY*
I suspect the disir may express more interest in female descendants. . . I find them more distinctive and personality-driven, as you describe the Matronae, rather than “an impersonal group of ancestors”, but YMMV. . .
*warning concludes*
Perhaps there is a link between Sulis and Brigid; it would be interesting if, as I saw suggested recently, Brigid can in some sense be considered the “patron goddess” of Leinster, which is an area I know my family has inhabited.
Speaking of Sequana and ancestral homelands, some preliminary genealogical research efforts on my part have revealed Norman and/or French ancestors since my trip. Villiers-le-Sec was the listed origin point; Google maps tells me there are two places of that name – one in Burgundy near the headwaters of the Seine, one in Normandy near its mouth. Interesting. . .
By: disirdottir on March 10, 2011
at 12:34 pm
No worries! Some deities just aren’t for everyone, and that’s fine. Eilitheiya (if I spelled that right) is probably never going to have any use for me, nor I her; Mars and Ares, likewise, probably aren’t that interested in me, nor would be Mithras. And so on and so on…
Face it, dear friend: the gods are telling you you’re “in-Seine.” Ha.
But that is cool that you’re able to narrow it down that much, and to have had some “research” backing up your “UPG” in terms of being interested in Sequana. Very cool!
By: aediculaantinoi on March 10, 2011
at 2:24 pm
I am also amused that Wikipedia in its questionable authority says that Sequana may be the Latinization of the Gaulish Sicauna, which is argued to mean “weird cat”. :p
By: disirdottir on March 10, 2011
at 12:36 pm
That is very odd indeed…!?! I don’t know enough about Gaulish to even know where to look, but anyway…
By: aediculaantinoi on March 10, 2011
at 2:22 pm
Sorry about the lump of text above, somehow the paragraph breaks fell out.
I did have a separate query, though; you said:
“one of the most essential and important practices I have in my rituals to
Antinous, it turns out, bothers and puts off a lot of people”
May I ask which, and any further details on the complaint/solution you are willing to share?
By: disirdottir on March 9, 2011
at 5:43 pm
No problem–WordPress can be odd about some things…
As for the practice: specifically, singing “Ave Ave Antinoe.” It is a sine qua non for public ritual for me, and also in many cases for private ritual, because Antinous likes it an awful lot, and it accomplishes what it is meant to do, i.e. praising and thanking the god, and then making sure he is present, and also putting oneself into his presence. Now that we have “Red lotus and starlight divine,” etc., though, that works equally well, is shorter and easier to memorize (and probably wouldn’t even require lyrics on a program like we had this year in future years), and is in English…the problem is, though, many might not know exactly what is being referred to. The benefits of Latin (and other languages) in that regard, of course, are that no one needs to know, they can just listen, and catch what they can, and hopefully find the tune soothing and mood-inducing in the meanwhile. I’ve been hearing from a lot of folks over the years–though not the ones who seem to get up and leave in the middle of rituals–that they don’t like the Latin and it does nothing for them, which is too bad. At PantheaCon ’10, I think everyone got into it pretty well; but, doing it solo, perhaps, is not for “non-Ekklesía Antínoou-specific” functions, since there are a lot of people who aren’t there for theology, they’re there for a show and a good ritual…and it’s a pity that both can’t be accomplished simultaneously on every occasion. The responsorial tune of the PantheaCon ’10 version that we used at the beginning of the ritual (which was also used in PantheaCon ’09), however, didn’t fit the mood of the tragedy that followed. And, there it was also serving as a link between our ritual and its needs and going into character for Pancrates, who I consider the first priest of Antinous, in many respects. (Of course, he wouldn’t have used Latin, but I don’t know enough Egyptian at this point, even if it is written down in front of me on a script.)
So, in any case, I’ve heard it enough, and if it bothers people that much, then I won’t do it any more in public rituals or events, except in particular circumstances. (The Antinoan Mysteries, perhaps; and if we do the hospitality suite thing next year, then at least daily during that…)
By: aediculaantinoi on March 9, 2011
at 6:25 pm
Bummer! I don’t sing it enough that I can confidently follow you in all its melodic wanderings, but I do enjoy it a great deal. Perhaps we can use it in processing with a statue, as we did a few years back?
The music in general is one of the parts I like best of Antinoan ritual.
By: disirdottir on March 10, 2011
at 12:40 pm
Thank you for the vote of confidence on that! I do appreciate it!
Yes, we’ll see what can be done. Perhaps it will be a “hospitality suite/Ekklesía Antínoou shrine-only” thing at PantheaCon at least…
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at 2:21 pm
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