I mentioned in my last post that I’d have something more serious to discuss later today–this isn’t it, but it is a lot more serious than the previous post.
Firstly, I draw your attention to this post by Michael York on Patheos.com, called “Not All Gods are Deities.” Michael York, as some of you may know, is most famous for his book Pagan Theology: Paganism as a World Religion, which I have very mixed feelings on–it’s an interesting book, but it certainly doesn’t live up to the main title (or even necessarily the subtitle); it’s more like an excursus on “Here’s how practically every religion that there is happens to be ‘pagan’” than an actual discussion of pagan theology as-such.
In any case, this article he’s written on Patheos.com (which is re-posted from elsewhere) is attempting to do some interesting things, but I am not sure that it really succeeds in doing so. The definitions he ends up using are pretty arbitrary, in terms of determining who of the “gods” (which seems to include all divine beings) are actually “deities” (which seems to be gods of a particular lineage, who are worthy of worship, and who are not opposed to the work or processes of the universe or other divine beings–especially those who are also “deities”). And, to be honest, I don’t think it actually works at all. The story of Hera’s opposition to Zeus’ sons, particularly Herakles and Dionysos, is a case in point, amongst many other possibilities in just the Greek realm. Brigid (and her sons) and Lug (and his sons) don’t really get along very well at all in Irish mythology. And though York is taking some cues in his formulations from Indian terminology and situations, I don’t think one can quite generalize away the opposition between devas and asuras either, since many of the latter are re-births of those who were formerly gods, and who ended up gaining respect and even cultus in their own right.
And, of course, I have to ask about Antinous. Antinous is not “born from the earth” by any literal means (other than having been born on it, like all humans that we’re aware of at this point!), and yet he was certainly reckoned to be a full-blown god, theos, in many locations in the ancient world, which is more than we can say for practically anyone and everyone else who was human and then recognized as divine who started out as a definite historical human personage (as opposed to heroes like Achilleus and Herakles, who were technically demi-gods–and the latter got to be reckoned as a god as much as a hero in a number of cases). “It is light – both symbolic and actual – that the deities have in common and what distinguishes them from the non-deific gods – including those that may be considered anti-divine.” While I think it is easy to impute light and light-giving qualities to Antinous, he’s never said to be the sun itself, nor is he syncretized to any deities who are “traditionally” solar in their primary aspect (though some, like Serapis, did get combined into some of the solar monotheisms late in antiquity); he does have a variety of lunar connections, but do we think of the moon as much as a “luminary” as the ancients did these days, since we know the light of the moon is simply reflected from the sun? So, as usual, Antinous sort of problematizes–or “queers,” if you like–a lot of things that have been set up as theological near-absolutes.
So, I don’t know…what do you think?

The other thing is that I just finished reading The Cults of the Roman Empire by Robert Turcan. This is a book I’ve known about for a very long time–ever since I first got into the worship of Antinous–but I’ve never read cover-to-cover. There’s not a lot on Antinous in it (on which more in a moment), though there is a good bit on Hadrian and some of the religious things that took place during his principate, or with which he was connected (or, in one case, not connected–in his chapter on Mithras, Turcan says it is certain that Hadrian was never in any known Mithraic speleum, contrary to the charming story of such that is found in Marguerite Yourcenar’s Hadrian’s Memoirs to that effect).

Turcan has a picture of the Braschi Antinous, now in the Sala Rotunda of the Vatican, similar to this view shown above, which he labels as “Antinous Harpocrates.” This has confused and astounded me since 2002, as there is really no attested syncretism of Antinous to Harpocrates, and this figure is in fact quite clearly and specifically Antinous as Dionysos, complete with thyrsus, ivy and pine-cone crown, and even an indication of the liknon at his feet–in other words, everything to point toward Dionysos and nothing to point toward Harpocrates (e.g. nudity, a side-lock of hair, a finger to the lips, etc.). In some late forms of syncretism, Harpocrates was linked to Dionysos, but that doesn’t make them at all the same or interchangeable by any means, and so I’ve always found this very irresponsible and questionable by a scholar who really ought to know better (not that such stops any scholars a good deal of the time, in any case).
The book is jam-packed with information on a variety of the so-called “oriental” cults, including those of Cybele and Attis, the Syrian gods (e.g. Atargatis, who is THE “Syrian Goddess,” and Jupiter Optimus Maximus Dolichenus), Serapis and Isis (which is where the brief appearance of Antinous is located), Mithras, Dionysos, Sabazios, and even a small bit on Glykon, amongst several other substantial chapters. It is an excellent reference on all of these matters, and I can highly recommend it for that reason.
However, I was increasingly annoyed at some of the terminology and discussion used as the book went on–referring to the practitioners of various cults as “idolaters” seems rather sectarian for a scholar of the late twentieth century, and his use of the term was not a neutral one (as some modern pagan scholars like Michael York would prefer it to be!). This came to a read head in the final “Epilogue,” which is relatively short (about 12 pages or so), and is entirely dedicated to determining why all of these cults–and the Roman traditional polytheist religion–were not able to survive when confronted by Christianity. He ends up arguing (as is fairly common) that all of these things didn’t speak to people any longer (except some elite intellectuals), and had no theology at all, nor any attraction in comparison to monotheism. He also suggests that Christianity was the best religion to respond to the political situation of the single emperor brought about by Constantine, rather than the more logical conclusion that Constantine was looking to favor a religion that supported his singularity in its theology. His understanding of syncretism is essentially that it paved the way for widespread monotheism, either in suggesting that all the various gods were really different faces of a single god, or that it equalized the various deities as intercessors to an ineffable and ultimate god, which created the precedent for the cult of the saints. And, he also suggests that the humanity of Jesus was a major draw with which none of the suffering mystery-gods of the oriental cults could possibly compete. His one concession (but only very briefly, before he discounted it) of the utility of polytheism was in its pluralism, which he demonstrates by a quote from Symmachus’ Report On the Altar of Victory 10:
What matters philosophy through which everyone seeks the truth?
One road alone does not suffice to attain so great a mystery!
[Nice statement!] However, he concludes that the pluralism and variety available in polytheism didn’t make it more accessible, it just made it confusing and contradictory to people.
I find a lot of this logic to be specious at best. We really don’t have enough information to suggest whether or not there was more content to late antique pagan theology, considering most of it has been destroyed by a certain other religion that was rather insistent in its unique authority and correctness, and the small excerpts and quotations and scraps of it which exist in later encyclopedists, lexicographers, historians, apologists, and the like, as well as the treatises whose titles we know but the actual texts of which have been lost may have held some truly excellent and wonderful possibilities for consideration. And, if the polytheistic system was so worthless and useless in attempting to address actual human needs and difficulties in this period, why then did Christianity, in a syncretistic move that it would excel at but then entirely disavow and ignore, have to absorb so much pagan material, figures, holidays, and practices into itself to make it palatable to its new and potential adherents if it was so complete and all-encompassing in itself? This he does not address at all…

And, of course, I have to come back to Antinous once again. Was he not an “actual human,” who was a psychopomp, and a sotér in the classical sense (just as Mithras and various others were), and who in fact could have done a great deal of what Jesus did in terms of his social and theological function for people in late antiquity (and, in fact, it seems he did for many people)? No, of course not–Antinous was a dirty homo, so he never could have fulfilled such a role. And no, Turcan doesn’t say that, but I think the subtext of such an assumption (that would be perfectly consonant with the implied Christian triumphalism of Turcan’s final chapter) is probably there under the surface.
So, I have to say, I’m pleased at the information in Turcan’s book (and would still recommend it for that reason), but am not at all impressed with the very unprofessional and rather unfounded “conclusions” he reaches in the end about the inadequacy and illogicality of Roman polytheistic pluralism.
Have any of you read Turcan’s book, and if so, what did you think of it?
I have not read Turcan’s “The Cults of the Roman Empire” yet, it’s on my bookshelf as something to get to one of these days. Turcan’s conclusions about the advantages of Chistianity over polytheism are nothing unusual and are quite in line with traditional scholarly opinion about the subject. Just remember that, even in the late twentieth century, the great majority of scholars writing about ancient religion are either Christian or atheist and that that mental attitude will influence their thinking even when they are trying to be objective and neutral. You just have to work around the prejudices of such authors. Turcan’s “The Gods of Ancient Rome” is generally highly thought of by Roman reconstructionists. So, yes, I think Turcan’s books are valuable, but need to be approached with some degree of caution, and that this is true of all good scholarly books about ancient society, culture, and religion. Really, we need “pagan” authors to be writing these sorts of books, and we need new translations of ancient texts by “pagan” translators. It’s not that I don’t trust Christians and atheists exactly, but, well………
Michael York’s article was interesting, but doesn’t fit very well with my own beliefs and opinions. Too earth centered. What if the human race survives its infancy and leaves planet earth, traveling out into the universe? Where are the gods then? The phrase “Paganism as a world religion” is a bit off. “Paganism” is a whole bunch of religions, any of which could become a “world religion”. Even if you restrict “pagan” to refer to the ancient non-bibical religions of Europe and the Near East (as I prefer to do), the term still covers a lot of territory in belief and practice. If you expand “pagan” to mean all non-bibical religions for the whole planet, then the term becomes so diffuse and general that it starts to lose any specific meaning. Also, for me anyway, the words “god” and “deity” have the same meaning: a powerful supernatural entity that possesses benevolent or neutral intentions towards human beings. There are lots of them out there.
By: qpoppaeus9 on July 21, 2011
at 8:42 pm
I know it’s not an unusual set of conclusions to come to, or that most of the people writing on these things are Christian or atheist–Celtic studies is the same way, and it’s doing it no favors at all. It’s just sad to see that what is “sensible” and passable as far as publishers and editors and other scholars are concerned is so transparently sectarian. I suppose this is why Turcan (and many others) are classicists in their affiliations, and not really “religious studies” by methodology, which tends to be far more phenomenological, and as a result less judgmental and seemingly sectarian…
I agree with the hair-splitting on “deity” vs. “god” in York’s piece…though, I could probably be accused of doing the same thing with, for example, “syncretic” vs. “syncretistic a while back. I wonder if it is just an attempt on his part to entirely skirt the Greek terminology of daimones, lest people confuse it with the Christian definitions of that term…
By: aediculaantinoi on July 21, 2011
at 10:49 pm
I have long held that monotheism is little more than a degenerate form of a once-valid Monolatry, since corrupted by priestly politicians.
And from what histories I’ve read, the biggest reason why Christianity conquered Europe is its greater willingness to kill anybody who disagrees with the Christian proselytizers’ efforts.
By: Ananta Androscoggin on July 22, 2011
at 6:08 am
Sadly, very true. I suspect that was one of the reasons that Constantine ended up favoring Christianity rather than some form of pagan solar monotheism was that Christians, up until that point, were basically preparing themselves for the end of the world, and in the meantime for all of its followers to be persecuted or possibly killed. Thus, they had little investment in worldly things (e.g. wealth, property, position, politics, etc.), and thought that if they were being abused by the state, they were “doing it right.” So, why not choose that religion as the state religion, so that then the sole Emperor can get rich, take people’s lands, tax them mercilessly, and never expect them to revolt or be upset, because that’s just their “lot in life” and they should not be focused on things in this world anyway. It’s not a very optimistic view of the situation, but let’s also be realistic about how things actually went, I think…
By: aediculaantinoi on July 29, 2011
at 3:08 am
I like to know more about the tension between Brighid and Lugh, and their respective families. I was not aware of this. What texts should I read? And what reasons have you discovered there to be that might explain this?
By: Soliwo on July 29, 2011
at 1:48 am
The short answer is: Brigid’s three sons, the Three Gods of Skill/Trí Dee Dána, whose names were Brian, Iuchar, and Iucharba, killed Lug’s father Cian, and to repay Lug for his father’s death, they were sent to obtain seven very difficult objects in the hopes that they would be killed in the process. They obtained six of them, and then died in the process of getting the last (which was “three shouts on a hill”), and these various objects ended up benefiting Lug a great deal for the rest of his life, but particularly in the Second Battle of Mag Tuired. This entire story can be found in “The Fate of the Children of Tuireann,” as Tuireann (or Tuirill Bicreo/Bicrenn/Picrenn) is the name of the Three Gods of Skill’s father.
An old but fairly serviceable translation of it is in P. W. Joyce’s Ancient Celtic Romances, for example.
There are other enmities present between them, but this is the major one. An alternate name of the holiday from late July to early August, the “dog-days of summer,” during which Lug’s main festival (Lugnasad) takes place is Iuchar, which is obviously named after one of Brigid’s sons. And, Cú Chulainn–Lug’s son–has some of his most difficult trials throughout his career on Imbolc, i.e. Brigid’s day. So, they sort of have a relationship in which the other’s children are at risk (or are actually killed) on the main holiday associated with each of them. Both Brigid and Lug are deities of skill, and are both skilled poets, smiths, healers, and warriors, amongst other things.
By: aediculaantinoi on July 29, 2011
at 3:04 am