A recent post by Sannion on Dionysian televangelism has got me thinking…
I wonder if a number of things that exist and are somewhat taken for granted for major creedal monotheist religions would “work” where it comes to polytheism and modern paganism.
Can we imagine “megacovens” of 20,000 people? Probably not, especially considering that events like PantheaCon draw a fraction of that number, and yet there is no one singular event that everyone goes to and fully cooperates with–except for maybe Pomba Gira (several hundred) or some of T. Thorn Coyle’s workshops (again, several hundred). Thorn is many things, but a megachurch pastor–nope, sorry. (And that’s something in her favor, and a thing to love all the more about her!)
Can we imagine collection plates being passed around at major events or rituals, just for the cost of materials and such? Sometimes, they are, and results come from them. But, it’s awfully hard to pay for candles and incense with “wishes for peace and love and light” that people would no doubt “charge” the plate with in many cases. While those things are nice, if it doesn’t make a sound when it hits the plate (and Ben Franklins do make a sound when they hit a collection plate!), it probably isn’t as helpful as one would need or expect when a collection plate is involved.
Can we imagine old men in suits standing on corners near schools as they get out handing out mass-printed copies of Hesiod to the children on their ways home? And they’d be called something like The Nestors? No, probably not–it would take a lot of money to print them up (see previous paragraph), even cheaply, and I don’t know that M. L. West would give permission to use his translation of it…
Can we imagine a national holiday in late October, with everyone getting the few days before and after Samain off from work? And, live from the Templum Antinoi, Foundation Day rituals on the night of October 30th, where everyone gets to see the story of Antinous’ death and apotheosis and his rituals carried out by various priests and functionaries empowered to do so, with a ceremony in several different languages? Apart from the temple and the television broadcast, the latter already happens whether people like it or not, it’s just there may not be that many eyes focused on it when it happens; but the former? Who knows…it sure would be nice, but it’s a long way off, I think.
But, what I can imagine easily is something that already takes place all the time: Dana Carvey’s character of The Church Lady, only it’s The Grove Lady, The Coven Lady, The Troth Lady, etc.
“Weeeeeeell, hmm, let’s see…Who put you up to that? Could it have been, oh, maybe, I don’t know, perhaps…
LOKI????!!!!????
Weeeeeeeell, isn’t that special?”

Grove lady. I love it.
Humor aside, I had a serious conversation about just this with a Wiccan friend a few years ago. She was of the opinion that Wicca just wouldn’t work, and wouldn’t feel right, as a large “church.” I can totally see that, especially as it comes out of the mystery tradition. Being in ADF, there are definitely people in that community who think ADF could or even should be a big “church.” I don’t know if I’m one of them… I think small, intimate groves work well. Actually, some major cities have more than one grove for that reason, and we all have slightly different personalities… Even our home practices, while vaguely similar, are also quite different. Not that Christians couldn’t say the same… but whenever a question of dogma comes up in ADF, people start to spit.
If ADF ever became “mainstream,” I don’t think it would be the sort of religion that handed out books or any of that… I mean, there are plenty of other mainstream religions that are huge and don’t.
Now back to grove lady… I think someone needs to start a tongue in cheek block based on that concept!
By: greycatsidhe on September 4, 2012
at 6:40 pm
If I had the spoons, I just might do it…
The way that the whole Loki issue has gone in some Heathen groups just sort of demands the Church Lady analogy, I think.
By: aediculaantinoi on September 4, 2012
at 10:40 pm
Oh, Sven and I already have two characters in our minds who are Asatru evangelists. Sven is decidedly chubby, with long hair in a ponytail. Put him in a white suit with a massive mjollnir around his neck and he would become the REVAHRAND GOTHI ODINSSON, who with his wife attends moots, copies of the Bellows translation of Snorri in their hands, asking, “Is this an Edda-believing hof?”
By: Signy Ragnvaldsdottir on September 4, 2012
at 7:51 pm
That would be hilarious! (Possibly not in the way that would be good, but anyway…!?!)
By: aediculaantinoi on September 4, 2012
at 10:39 pm
And on the Kemetic side, we have the Reverend Djed’s Shemsu Shack. ^_^ (At Retreat this year, a new reverend was ordained whose clergy name started with “Djed”; much hilarity ensued.)
By: Shefyt on September 5, 2012
at 7:36 am
Oh my…!
It’s true, there’s a few Egyptian names that when pronounced by many people (e.g. Geb) sound an awful lot like, for example, former governors of Florida, etc. Eeesh…But, given that Memphis is also in Tennessee, what can you do?
By: aediculaantinoi on September 5, 2012
at 3:05 pm
We have a monthly raffle at our Moot which functions similarly to a collection plate in effect, except you can win little gifts that others have donated!
The idea even of a megachurch is alien enough in the UK – we can’t fill the normal size ones – a megacoven might have more luck, possibly.
I don’t think I would like a Paganism that came to resemble a structured mainstream religion. I prefer just doing my own thing and meeting up every so often with others who do theirs.
By: Clodia on September 27, 2012
at 12:37 pm