Posted by: aediculaantinoi | November 7, 2013

A Completely Shallow Post…

The various posts I’d like to do are a bit too cumbersome for my resources at the moment…

So, instead I bring you this do you think my butt looks big in this outfit “What do you think of this?”-style post related to devotional imagery.

Something I’ve been looking for, but have not yet found anything quite ideal yet, is an image of Persephone, and/or Demeter. (There are lots of the latter, it seems, but none that have floated my boat too well; there’s also ones of Hades and Persephone, but I’m not very keen on most of those, either.)

Sacred Source just came out with the following new image of Demeter and Persephone:

On the one hand, I like that it highlights the relationship between the Two Goddesses.

On the other…there’s something about it that might lack the gravitas I associate with these goddesses…but nothing short of them actually appearing and posing for a photograph would probably convey that, and this one actually isn’t bad as far as being eye-catching and pleasing to look upon.

But, I don’t know–what do you all think? And, if you have images of these two goddesses, which ones do you prefer to use, and where did you get them? (Provide links if you can–photos good!)


Responses

  1. I find most of Sacred Source’s statuary ugly. This particular grouping they you mention, though it does have sweetness, conforms to the rest.
    Why is so much Pagan statuary so hideous?

    • Yeah…I’m very unimpressed with a lot of what they have (their Apollon is especially icky, I think); but, some of it is quite nice. The Mars I have isn’t bad; the Dionysos is pretty good; and the Diana/Artemis that is silver and has the wolf is extremely beautiful and powerful, in my experience. They do have some unusual stuff, too, e.g. Lares and a few other things that are Roman…

      But, some of their Celtic stuff is awful. Their recent singular Brigid and their newer triple Brigid are both pretty nice, but much of the rest is…not so much.

      I suspect this is the case with so much pagan statuary, as it often is with so much pagan *insert names of things here*, because we have to take what we can get–there’s little competition for being the “best” or “most skilled” at a variety of crafts, because there’s only one or two people who are doing them. Alas, Sacred Source is one of the biggees, and there’s often a kind of “best because only” feeling to some of this stuff…Generally speaking, too, pagans don’t complain, because no one else is coming forward to make these things.

      At least with the limited images of Antinous that there are, they’re produced by people who are making classical art reproductions, rather than devotional statuary…and, oddly enough, that makes their stuff better, ironically enough.

  2. I think it looks beautiful, but also a little sad, given the myth.

    Have you checked out Abaxion? They seem to have decent stuff, though I’ve heard iffy things about their shipping (mostly not shipping on time. :\)

    • Haven’t heard of Abaxion…I’ll have to check them out! Thanks!

  3. Pretty, but not numinous.

  4. Images and designs are not necessarily shallow at all. Sacred Source is not a good source for western Pagan imagery. Most of their stuff is made in India of clay and will melt if wet. Their artisans just do not understand western artistic styles. I wll admit to having some of their stuff (an Athena, a Hera, feminized versions of Roman male Lares(now discontinued)). They do have a very nice Ceres/Demeter by Deborah Bacchu, showing the goddess enthroned, very majestic looking. I have seen this statue in other places. A good source is goddessgift.net., or statue.com, or Talaria.com. A lot of good conventional stuff is out there. This particular image of Demeter and Persephone does not appeal to me. I am of the “big and grand” school of thought in regards to images of the Gods. I have never come across a good statue of Persephone.

    • Yes–that was my main reason for posting this, i.e. there aren’t many Persephone images at all.

      I agree, it’s not a shallow thing to look at images and evaluate them; but, too many people who don’t have their priorities right, or their understandings of the subtleties and importances of these matters at optimum level, might think it rather shallow…oh well.

  5. Here is a painting of Persephone (illustrating a moment from the Cupid and Psyche story in Apuleius’ Metamorphoses):

    The actual painting is richer and more detailed than apparent from the web image. And it has a very direct numinous quality, at least to me, though not produced as a devotional work.
    I love the choice of the scene too – Persephone giving some of her own beauty to Psyche, assisting in Psyche’s last ordeal task as commanded by Venus. It has a wonderful sense of hope – A divinity assisting a human in her hopes of regaining her Love. Again it is in the midst of a bawdy story, but Persephone’s act is serene, generous, and inspiring.
    Framed up as an icon, I can see using it devotionally (and I shall).

    • Interesting!

      It sort of pictures her older than I’ve always thought of her or encountered her, but that’s all right…

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  7. I think this image reduces them to Mother/Daughter status only, and only pays token attention to Their agricultural associations. And it’s those agricultural associations that gave rise to the mother/daughter importance. New growth as child of cultivation and the circle of life.

    If I were to commission a single piece for Demeter and Kore, this is what it would look like: Demeter standing (regally, of course) holding a wheat-sheaf and a sickle in one arm/hand, and touching the side of Kore’s head with the other. Kore would be tending a growing plant, perhaps a crocus. One hand would be above the flower, the other gently sinking into the turned earth. She might be kneeling, or Her body might spring from the ground at the waist, as in the ancient painting. (Or was that Demeter?)

    • Interesting image!

      While the agricultural associations are certainly there, my latest researches into the Homeric Hymn to Demeter, and those of a variety of academics, make a very good point: it’s hard to argue from the oldest version of the myth that the seasonal-agricultural interpretation is really there based on the original text, for a variety of reasons–among them: Demeter doesn’t teach agriculture until after Persephone is restored; the famine upon the earth is caused not by Persephone’s disappearance, but instead occurs after Demophoön’s failed immortalization; and the questionable timing of when Persephone disappears and is restored (and since she was picking flowers when she was raped, it seems likely that Spring was when she would have disappeared). It’s not to say that later versions didn’t take the seasonal-agricultural interpretation, or that it isn’t or can’t be there, but only that it is fascinating that despite that interpretive trend, the oldest text on the matter doesn’t really support it.


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