Posted by: aediculaantinoi | November 9, 2013

This pisses me off…

I have no words:

“God Graveyard.”

At least one person, it seems, took the public grandstanding opportunity that these people took to actually do cultus to one of the deities portrayed.


Responses

  1. I think every time a group of atheists try to set one of these up, a group of tons of people should put offerings and even do ritual or prayer at these places.

    Then again, I wouldn’t mind shoving it in these atheists’ faces that they’re wrong about the gods being dead.

    • Yes–it’s kind of an opportunity to do a counter-demonstration…

      If it were nearer, I’d spend a whole day doing cultus to every one of the deities marked, with probably more at those that I have a relationship with, just to show that it is an issue and to give the lie to what they’ve said. (And, I’d hope others would do it with me, too…)

  2. My first thought was, “But they’re NOT dead. Many of them still are actively worshipped.”

    • It’s one of the wonderful things about atheists: they are so concerned with evidence and proving things and making sure everything they say is factual, that they get to ignore all of religious studies, history, real people and traditions that are occurring today, and other matters that might shed light on anything that has to do with religion since all religion is unreal/false/nonsense, etc. (Kind of like Christians, oddly enough…)

  3. Another example of Atheists cluelessly acting exactly like their Fundamentalist foes. The lack of respect is astounding (if familiar).

    • Indeed…They need to get new arguments, I think.

  4. To be honest I originally saw this post on Tumblr, so it did not come framed in an atheist context. I actually thought it was some sort of art installation.

    Initially I was pissed (because who gets to decide if a god is living or dead?), and then I thought “… this is one of the greatest con jobs I’ve ever seen!” when I saw that people had begun leaving *offerings*. People are coming and leaving flowers and gifts and literally offering them cultus without even realizing it! And now I just can’t stop laughing, and it makes me wonder if there was a spirit or two behind it. Heh.

    • (As a follow up: it does piss me off still, at seeing a waste of material, and space, and lack of respect for polytheists around the world who DO worship these deities. But I also would not be surprised if the gods took advantage of it for their own purposes.)

      • If we can turn lemons into devotional lemonade, it’s always a good thing…Unfortunately, there aren’t enough of us to do it on short notice and in sufficient numbers much of the time.

  5. If I was anywhere close, I would be leaving offerings for all of the gods I could. All of the Greek, definitely. I was working in Milwaukee last November – I wish I was there now. Ah well. Next time you hear of one of these, please post about again. If I am anywhere close I will go. Unfortunately I am in New Mexico right now.

  6. To quote myself in the comments section: ‘I guess contemporary polytheists aren’t real people because apparently “nobody” worships these gods “anymore”.’

    As if misinformation and misrepresentation weren’t disrespectful enough, what pissed me off the most was the insensitivity to the people who died with and for their cultures. As we know well enough, their religions “died” not because these people found them “ridiculous” (or as these fanatics put it, “myths”), but because of coercion and deceit. Putting up this graveyard seems like a big finger to our ancestors and a death threat to us saying, “You’re next”.

  7. And to think that trees died so someone could put up that nonsense.

    • Oh, the things that trees die needlessly for, I tell ya…

      I make it a point to pick up all of The Watchtower magazines/leaflets I find at bus stops and recycle them. And I’m sure the paper involved thinks “Crikey, I can’t wait to have someone wipe their arse with me after that crap was all over me for so long…”

      • To be honest, at this point I suspect that the trees are all wondering when humans will hurry up and wipe ourselves out.

  8. I feel like my gods have enough of a sense of humor that this doesn’t bother them. Reminds me a bit of American Gods.

    • On the one hand, any press is good press…

      On the other, though, it’s more of a disrespect to actual living individuals (and a great many dead ones, who though dead are not in any sense gone–which atheists will never admit, even less than they’d admit the existence of gods, I suspect, in many cases) who are doing cultus to these gods, and thus it is us who need to respond.

  9. I have said it before: Most Athiests are, in actuality, anti-theists with an irrational hatred of religion. These children are just the products of an overly-strict religious upbringing with daddy issues.

    • True…Though, that does also describe a good few modern pagans as well, who have problems with anything that resembles “organized religion,” actual theological statements, a necessity for practice (beyond going to protests and signing petitions, etc.), and a great many other things that the larger modern pagan community carps at which polytheists and other very dedicated individuals kind of think are necessities for anything which attempts to describe itself as a “religion.”

  10. I had an odd thought after pondering that display for a few days (and just thinking it awesome that someone made offerings to Freya). Thinking as I set up my room full of shrines in my new apartment, one of of them is going to be the shrine to the Forgotten Gods. For the ones whose names have been lost for one reason or another over the centuries. Just a simple shrine with things most Gods enjoy, like a little good food and drink. Along with some things that’d be useful for giving a God voice, like a blank book, pen and ink.

    • That is a brilliant and important thing, and I think we all need to do more of it.

      I suspect there are far more deities whose names have been forgotten or were never known (due to literacy not existing!) than we currently know, and they should be honored and recognized whenever possible.

      It’s also great when a “new” (but actually old) deity (re-)surfaces, as they often do, as a result of a chance find of some inscription, and a name gets heard again after an untold length of centuries of silence–as Senua did earlier this century, and as many others did over the course of the 1800s and 1900s.

  11. Reminds me of American Gods. And frankly, I’m pretty sure my gods have enough of a sense of humor that they aren’t terribly bothered by a stunt by some college kids, and neither am I. Getting angry with college kids in groups for doing obnoxious things is like getting angry at infants for not being toilet trained yet. It’s just where they are in the process.

    • By the time kids are in college, though, one expects that they are not only toilet-trained, but also are learning some basic critical thinking skills and matters of courtesy.

      This has to do with matters wider than the age of the people doing it, though–college-level Evangelical Christians are pretty obnoxious as well, but they’re just aping what is acceptable and commendable within their own sociocultural framework; and the same matter is at work here. It’s just as objectionable if an adult or a college kid does it.

      • I really think it’s a bit silly the way our culture expects adult behavior from brains that haven’t fully matured yet. I think it’s a big deal made out of a silly college stunt.

      • Would that same argument fly if one of these students stole something, assaulted or killed someone, or raped someone? “Oh, their brains aren’t fully developed, give ‘em a pass this time”? It doesn’t, and it shouldn’t.

        Not turning in their homework on time, or getting a little bit drunk (and not hurting anyone or anything while doing so), or using up their entire paycheck in a weekend and then having nothing for food and such–yeah, those sorts of things do happen, and people learn from them in the process as their brains develop.

        But we also expect kids of that age to not say racist things, or homophobic things, etc. How is this any different?

      • I’m sure the gods are horribly offended that some teenagers put up (temporary, paper) monuments in their names. Seriously, you compare *that* to rape and murder? Your perspective is off. Badly.

      • No, not quite in the same category, obviously…

        But, we do have standards of behavior for people of that age group.

        And your argument seems based on “I think the gods would/would not,” etc. It’s not within human knowledge on this particular matter what the gods think, unless you’ve failed to share something. And, speaking on behalf of the gods is a pretty bad habit to get into if one isn’t an oracle/medium, etc.

        If these students had put up shrines to the gods, that would be one thing. They didn’t; they said “All these gods are dead, and no one worships them any longer,” which is patently false on both counts. Some creative responders then used that opportunity to do cultus to them, which was a good thing.

        This is a human problem, and humans are the ones who do feel offended at it. If you don’t feel offended, fine; but don’t come here and try to tell us that the reasonable or right thing to do is not get mad, because these are just college students, and give them a break, etc. We do expect standards of behavior of college students, including “getting answers right” on assignments and such. The atheist privilege involved here is in contravention of known facts–and even if they won’t concede that these gods do exist and aren’t “dead,” then at least they do still have worshippers, which they’re effectively saying either don’t exist or don’t matter. They’re telling all of us, including you, that you don’t exist and don’t matter. If that doesn’t bother you, again, fine; but it does bother some of us a great deal, and if you don’t respect that, please don’t comment here further.

      • “Atheist privilege,” as a concept, is in contravention of known facts within US culture, or haven’t you looked? Christianity has the power, and atheists are a minority, just like we are.

      • And yet, they assume that they’re “just as right” as Christians are about there being no other gods, except for the further addition of the Christian god. They constantly don’t feel they need to do any research or regarding of any facts of archaeology, or of theological interpretation, or of a great many other things related to religion, because all religion is bunk and doesn’t matter. (They constantly use, for example, extremely outdated discussions about comparative mythology to conclude that Jesus is just as mythological as Mithras, Krishna, Horus, and others, and therefore just as all of those didn’t/couldn’t exist, so too with Jesus…when those arguments have been outdated and aren’t taken seriously by anyone who knows about religions for a hundred years.)

        There’s more of them than there are of us, we are more of a minority than they are; when people find out there’s pagans, they often don’t believe it, but no one questions the existence or viability of atheists as actual people who live and do things, and many atheists don’t even know that pagans exist. (It happens on atheist boards and such frequently: someone says they’re pagan, and an atheist replies “But only ironically, right? You couldn’t possibly think that there are gods.”)

        What else should that be called, if not the “privilege” which Christians have to not know or care anything about any other religion, which white people have to not care about any other ethnicities, which the able-bodied have to ignore the needs and existence of the disabled, etc.?

      • Also, recall there are some minorities who enjoy immense privilege: the 1% in the U.S. who are multi-millionaires are a tiny minority (there’s more pagans than there are billionaires!), but they have pretty much everything they want and can entirely ignore everyone around them if they so choose.

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